Alice in Wonderland Easter Egg - Nude Alice

Are you sure, I watched it a few times frame by frame before she enters the hole, and I didn't see a thing. I did notice something when she's falling, and in one frame about 3 seconds before the rocking chair comes into view that she lands in, there's like a little thing that appears at the left corner of her dress, the side where you can see a little bit of white from her slip. If anyone knows what it is, please email me.

I´m pretty sure that this is a fake, but if I don´t own the original version of the movie, then it may be different.

I've never seen that before! has anyone ever noticed that this movie is all about drugs - a catipilar smoking a pipe, sitting on a mushroom, you eat a cake and get taller, not to mention that everything in that movie is trippin'

The movie is based on "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" by Lewis Carroll. As far as my knowledge goes, Carroll was pretty fond of Opium. Many of the images and scenarios are probably Opium-induced.

Yeah my boyfriend says the same thing about the drugs. The hookah, mushrooms everywhere, the size changes and the trippy colors. Still, this movie was made in the 50s when drug use wasn't a talked-about subject. But I think you are right.

It can't all be about drugs because the original Alice was told to three little girls. This is what many idiots who have only heard the story once think. While there is obviously some influence of drugs, they were common and the effects unknown during Lewis Carroll's time. So this isn't Disney trying to damage us. Also, in Sherlock Holmes they often mention him smoking Hash or sticking a needle in himself.

I noticed that the other day, that caterpillar is smoking and is defiantly stoned, listen to him talk!

It's a well known fact that the Disney animators are a little perverse. They try to slip something like this in their movies often, but they are normally cut out of the home video versions, or re-releases.

The caterpillar sitting on the mushroom is smoking opium in that hookah. In Louis Carroll's time, opium was still considered socially acceptable and was widely used throughout England, especially to intellectuals seeking inspiration. The reason the caterpillar was so languid and slow in his speaking was because opium is a stupification agent, it makes you very, very relaxed and sleepy. This is also probably why he doesn't make any sense and just mumbles nonsense phrases.

Its a shame you haven't found out the whole "tripping" while writing the book is a myth. You really think LSD was around in Carrol's time? Shrooms maybe.. but it's still a myth, try learning more facts about him.

Charles L. Dodgson aka (Louis Carroll)was a mathematician who taught at Oxford University. He wrote several books that incorporated the new mathematical ideas of the time. Many of which involved going into a wormhole or "looking glass" into higher dimensions. I'm sure his drug use influenced his creative ideas of what life would be like in these parallel worlds, but did not give him the inspiration for these books. I got this information from the book Hyperspace by Michio Kaku.

I don't see the Alice, could some one tell me like exactly where it is and what scene...like is the rabbit on there or Alice or Alice and the cat or whatever and where the naked one is seen...and, what version is it in?

If you people bothered to do some research before you started spewing inanities, you would know that Alice In Wonderland was originally a children's story that Carol made up one afternoon while he was picnicking with the daughters of some friends of his. Just because Dizney made the whole thing look like some kind of drug haze doesn't mean that the author intended it that way. Try picking up a copy of The Annotated Alice and you all might learn a thing or two and save some face in the future.

I hate Disney's version of this movie, and let me tell you why. I have read the book! Anyone who has read the actual book (I know reading books is not looked kindly upon in this day and age) can appreciate the true genius of Lewis Carroll. The man was a brilliant mathematician, and most of the dialogue in the story has a second meaning in either math and politics. I recommend you looking at the eeggs on the BOOK, for they are truly fascinating. Yes, there is a lot of drug use in the story, but this story was not written "today," and in the day and age of the story, this kind of drug use was considered perfectly harmless (consider the fact that Fred Flintstone was once used in commercials for cigarettes). As for the drug influence on the Disney movie, all I can say is that they have truly ruined a great classic tale, not only by mixing it with heavy drug references, but with their incredible inaccuracies. (Ex. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum are not in "Wonderland" but rather "Through the Looking Glass," and it is Humpty Dumpty that introduces the concept of Unbirthdays, and this does not happen at the Mad Tea Party.) Finally, to address the original topic of this eegg, IF there is a scene that depicts Alice nude, then it is just another step Disney has taken to get people to watch their movies (come on, like they really need help) and another shot they have taken at this classic tale.

Umn, u guys, I'm not saying that there wasn't some sort of drug references in the movie and/or book, but u have to remember, it is CHILDREN'S FANTASY, so I think they have some reason to have fantastic things happening, with bright colours, to amuse kids and try and access their imaginations. It's all part of the fun.

Lewis Carrol was into Opium, not Cocaine or LSD. LSD was discovered in the 40's but it was not really used by many till the 60's [when it was legal]. Alice in Wonderland is the tale of the effects of Opium/hallucinogens on the human mind. That is why there is all the weird stuff, not merely because 'its for kids, so its creative'.

No. Carroll was NOT into any drugs...he was a mathamatician at Oxford, and told the Alice stories to Alice Liddle and her sisters over a period of time. She asked him to write them down, and he gave her the manuscript for her birthday. A lot of the weirdness in the book are mathematical allusions and metaphors.

Lewis Carroll was in fact an opium user, but his books were not based on this drug use. Lewis told these stories to a young girl (which by the way he was in love with) names Alice and her little sisters. In the book he contradicts mathematical definitions and reality, like when Alice is running with the Red Queen, "We must keep running to stay in the same spot." Lewis Carroll was also a suspect in the Jack the Ripper murder case, reason being that supposedly his poem "the Jabberwocky" contained hidden anagrams, I have found this false, because "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass" was written many years before the murders took place. The only thing Lewis Carroll was guilty of was being a pedophile, and of course, most everyone smoked opium in his day and age.

Charles Dodgeson was NOT into drugs... he just wanted to make a story without any of those annoying morals that were in most children's books at the time, a true fantasy novel. if he was high at the time that he wrote his two Alice books, he most likely wouldn't have been able to use so many mathematical and symbolistic (is that a word? lol) eggs.

Wow. Everyone's a critic. There is no proof that Lewis Carroll did drugs. It could be very likely that he was into opium but the whole point that he wrote his two Alice books were for a child friend of his, Alice Liddell (who in fact he also took child pornographic pictures of- but that's another story). The nude Alice is definitely a fake. As far as all the drug stuff goes, that's just the pot-heads of today all teaming up and looking for something to be interested in. And as far as the Disney version of the movie, is anyone actually surprised that it mixes the two books (wonderland and looking glass) and really doesn't follow them completely? It's Disney and they like to have control over everything. I like to think of it as an amazing story with extreme, vivid imagination told by a highly intelligent mathematician meant for a little girl. That's my two-sense! :)

For your information, Lewis Carrol was not on LSD, Opium, or any other kind of drug that is out there. L-k is correct in saying that he made the story up for the children of a friend. Most authors of children's books as that time started out by making them up for either their kids, or someone elses. And if you would read the actual book, not the one for little kids with pictures, you will find that many of the poems in the book told by characters are concrete poems (aka in the shape of their subject). These poems were written and designed mathematically because Carrol was a mathematician, and wanted everything to be correct. Please, people, do a little research before you decide to call someone a junkie.

ok, I didn't see Alice nude, but on a related note, whether or not Lewis Carroll was on drugs or not, doesn't matter to me. He had an extensive child porn collection, which would make the nude Alice somewhat coinsidental, if infact it is there. Also, the movie isn't about the effect of drug hallucinations, it is a mockery of the English Monarch durring his time. Hello? A "Jolly Caucus Race" it's making fun of the Monarch without them being able to tell.

I did not see the egg. I tryed it many times and you can't see anything. People, if your going to add an egg, then don't lie about it.

For your information, a hooka is not for drugs. I own a hooka, and would not put anything in it but sheesha. Sheesha is tobacco soaked in fruit and berry juices. Put anything else in there and you ruin it forever. You will never get the taste out. However, I do believe he did experiment with some drugs, Opium being one of them. So what? I'm sure it did open his mind. We might not have had this treasure of a story if he hadn't.

WOW! I'm confused as to how people can be defending a man on NOT using drugs, when in-fact none of you have ever even met him. There's obviously drug references in the books and the lame Disney movie, which dosen't say he used drugs, but like-wise dosen't say he didn't. So before you people start trying to state facts, think about what your saying. [ainsivingife][?]

Even if he wasn't on drugs while he was telling the story or writing it, by doing drugs just once can make you crazy and think differently forever. It doesn't happen to everyone but opium and lsd and whatever you guys were saying are some of the strongest drugs out there. He had to have done drugs before, it is all over the movie and book. Being the genius that he was, he was already thinking pretty abstractly so who knows. Think what you want to.

Opium is just a cleaner version of heroin. And we all know how wacky and creative smack heads are. RUTT ROW!!! As for Disney movies and the real thing, two totally different worlds. Most original versions of Disney movies are scary and sad. Anyone ever see the original Little Mermaid? Sooo sad. But we don't want the kids to have nightmares so Disney turns em around and throws on a happy ending. If Dis made an accurate version of Alice in Wonderland and the Looking Glass, no kid would even understand. The good stuff is for the adults.

No, the whole nude thing never happened. I watch it a couple of times and i did it slow so i could see each little part, and nothing is there. They probably saw like a little mark and decided to tell everyone that it was alice nude. i have an original and its not there

How the hell did we get to talking about a naked Alice to Lewis C. on opium? That has nothing to do with this eegg!!!!

Whether he was on drugs or not is irrelivant. The story is plainly corrupted and definatly about the effects of drugs. The author could not have been on drugs at the time of writing the story because it wouldn't have made any sense at all. Maybe he was warning kids to stay away from things like that and secretly saying to stay away from drugs.

Why can't some people believe that someone can write fantasy without being a drug user? Lewis Carroll was a highly religious person. He once criticized a church choir for singing a hymn too fast and not giving it the proper respect. As for the child pornography. Carroll was also an amateur photographer. One of the more popular subjects of this new hobby was children clothed or unclothed. Carroll took pictures of both (but most were clothed) These pictures were not considered pornography but art. They were not taken for sexual pleasure but for beauty. He was only one of many who practiced this hobby. He also never took a picture of a nude child without the child's parents being present. This was an acceptable hobby at the time.

Actually I think you will find that if you do in fact research the subject futher (in reguards to the drug debate) that Carroll did use Laudanum (a drug related to opium)for treatment for a medical problem on the advice of a doctor. This was a common practice of the victorian era. It is uncertain as to whether or not he abused the drug. However, as previously stated, opium is a very strong drug and can have long term effects with even one use.

Back on the egg subject, I didn't see the nude Alice, but take a look at the trees when the rabbit is going over the hill... looks like a full torso and face of a woman with an exposed breast, kinda creepy. It might not have been intended, but when you're looking for something, you may find it whether it's there or not. Anyway, take a look.

Lewis Carroll was on drugs. There is hard evidence, so nobody can openly deny it. If you've read the book, which many of you haven't, its clear to see that it is influenced strongly by opium. As for the people that said it is children's fantasy, they're wrong. When Carroll wrote this book, he was not doing it for Disney to go and make it light and fluffy so that children would like it. This book is for mature readers, not for children.

Lewis Carroll was a genius, not a pot-head. Apparently, you REAL pot-heads just wish that someone with his amount of genius would do as you do. Fat chance. I have read The Anotated Alice, and, although it IS a little surreal, as is the movie, NO DRUGS WERE INVOLVED. You have no solid proof whatsoever that he used drugs, it's all just hearsay. I also watched Fantasia obsessively when I was a child, and it was NOT drug induced, although one of the animators did happen to be addicted to a prescription drug, I forget what. It is NOT drug induced, it's ART. There is a HUGE difference. Both movies are beautiful, genius, and simply amazing in so many ways. Also, about the child "porn". I happen to be studying art, as I have been for years, and Lewis did NOT make it sexual in any way. In fact, in the eyes of many dedicated and very famous artists, nudity is used to exress certain emotions, and even simple beauty. Just because it's nude doesn't make it porn, or even sexual at all.

Lewis Carrol was not a pedophile. He thought that little girls were the purest beings on the earth, and he loved everything about them. He was not sexually interested in them in any way. Lewis Carrol was also not into drugs. C.S. Lewis (of the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe series) was. Hm. Katie Scarlett

Is it not physically possible for someone to be an intelligent, oxford educated, mathmatician and still use mind altering drugs? The fact that he was smart really doesn't build a case against that. Yes, fantasy stories can be created without drug use but it seems unlikely that they would include hookahas, size changing mushrooms etc. if they were solely intended for entertaining children. In the same respect, you can't argue against the pornography theory by saying he was an artist. Edgar Allen Poe was in love with his 13 yr old first cousin and Pete Townshend was charged with pedophilia. The story is great regardless. Why argue about something so insignificant?

Ok most of you are wrong, Lewis Carrol was on opium because at the time when he lived Opium was llegal and so was LSD in the 60s, now opium was able to buy and was smoked in front of children and saying how he couldn't of done drugs and been such an intelligent bets me, I used to to drugs and all it does is make you relaxed and a lot more creative. People that say that he couldn't of done any of these things if he was on drugs has proberly never tryed drugs so don't start crittosizing, in that time it wasn't illegal to smoke opium which is why the movie has it in, some people just don't like to belive what is true!

Ok whoever made that comment about fantasia not having any drug references...maybe they should take a look at it again, there is a scene where there are some mushrooms, and the colors are red with a white bottom just like a certain kind of mushroom, Aminita Muscaria....yeah they def make you trip. Also Lewis Carrol was an opium smoker at the time.

Are you people crazy?!? How can you dare say "jwrader writes: Is it not physically possible for someone to be an intelligent, oxford educated, mathmatician and still use mind altering drugs?". What kind of drugs are you on? Think about it, all of the GREATEST music that ever came around was by people on drugs. Ex. Pink Floyd, Jerry Garcia, Curt Cobain, Guns and Roses, and 90% of ever other musician on this planet who isn't Christian. Even Einstein and Sigmund Freud used cocain, and they were some of the smartest. The way it goes is 90% of the people who use drugs don't have brains, but the 10% that do have brains tend to be some of the greatest artists, musicians, inventors, mathmatitions, psychologists...ect... And dont tell me that creating a story or a movie or a book or anything at all doesn't take an open and creative mind to do. And where does most of this creativity come from??? The drugs these people do. No, I'm not trying to support drugs because most are severly bad. But I am trying to emphasise how wrong this person is by trying to convince you all that EVERYONE on drugs cant do anything, because some drugs bring out the best in some peoples minds. So yes, even though this egg was originally about a nude alice, this movie has everything to do with drugs, everyone knows it. And only drugs could possess someones mind into putting a nude alice on the screen. I haven't seen it yet, but I will post again when I rent the movie and pay close attention.

Jeeze, you guys are all idiots. Why would you waste your time debating whether an obviously deranged dude did drugs or not? Look, I smoke pot more often than not, I used Opium a few times, kept to a minimal and I have an I.Q. of 151, so drugs are not everything. If this is really such a big deal to you, then you need to recheck your priorities. Is this a good story? -then what does it matter? was the man writing psychedelic material that could be viewed with altered perception in an intellectual way? The bottom line is our society is so screwed up that even after the alleged easter egg of a nude inappropriately young girl, an entire forum is built on the grounds that Lewis Carol may or may have not taken drugs! This is a sick and sad world that actually gives a damn. Why not prevent statutory, or child pornography? -no? -too busy fighting things that don't effect you? -okay sorry I bothered you...

First, for all of you who know better; The stupidest thing I've heard of these comments was those of you who actually made to say "Do a little research before you burst out blah blah blah". Okay, let me ask you: WHAT IS A POLITE SOURCE? Espescially nowadays. Should you listen to your neighbour (which neigbour?), read the newspapers (which? tabloids?), etc. You get my point. And for my opinion on the whole thing - it does not matter whether Lewis Carroll was on drugs or not. Or, to correct myself; it did sure matter for the outcome of his stories, but why are we arguing some myths anyway? I can see that a discussion can be the most interesting if people don't know sh*t. Like me. Like him. Like her. And like you. So skip the drug discussion, there's more interesting things to be discussed. If Alice was nude or not; we can at least check for evidence if we have that original tape. It's taped. And it's a movie by Disney, not by Carroll. So for you people who can't tell the difference... stop smoking pot.

A hookah pipe isnt intende for durgs so the dum a$$ that says that caterpillar was obviously on opium is anobvious idiot , have you never seen a cterpiller move, they aare slow, the are caterpillars. shut up!!

All of your points can be noted and either agreed upon or not. But you know what just give the guy credit for what he accomplished; I mean he’s obviously done a lot more than us because were all sitting here debating whether or not he did drugs. He made some timeless movies and books which everyone, but maybe some, enjoy. So who cares whether he was high or not. Look at Dr. Suisse! But on to another Disney movie, if you watched Aladdin the scene where he fly’s up to the balcony, when she finally decides to come out and talk to him (watch the whole scene with the volume up), just as she is going threw the silk drapes you can hear a guy’s voice say: “Take off your clothes!” Odd…

why are we looking for this anyway, we all now disney sometimes hides rude stuff in their movies, but why would they draw one of their characters naked. because they didn't

There is a difference between "original movie" and "original version". One of the artist involved in the project slipped the nude Alice in a few frames as some kind of inside joke. The images flashed on the screen so fast nobody saw it until the movie was transferred to VCR and sold to the public. When people discovered this, Disney located and edited out the frames. Unless you have a first release tape you won't find it.

On the subject of the egg, I could not see it. On the subject of the previous comments, the majority of you are quite ignorant. It's interesting that I ran across this egg because I'm doing a research project on the history behind Dodgson's stories about Alice Liddell for my Inventive Theatre course. Charles Dodgson/Lewis Carroll kept an extremely detailed diary, documenting the drug use and the intimate relationships with his young female friends. Today's view of drugs is drastically different than Dodgson's time (almost 150 years ago). Dodgson was using a prescribed medication, which has only 1/4 the effect that opium creates, though the medication was opium-based. He occasionally goes into detail when writing about the girls, although the pages suspected to be about Alice's sexual involvement were ripped from the diary. Someone also mentioned that he was friends with the Liddell family, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Alice's father was the Dean of the Christ Church College, who almost completely ignored Dodgson. Dodgson had been a Deacon, but left the church because of his differing interests. The father, Henry knew this and strongly disapproved. Alice's mother was very protective of her 9 children, Alice included. After long periods of battling and refusing Dodgson's visits, she destroyed all the letters he had written to Alice, her two favorite sisters, and the family. Well that's my two cents.

Found at http://www.megabrands.com/carroll/forf.html: "The idea that Lewis Carroll's imaginative characters and stories are a product of drug stupor1 was first spread in the 1960's by adherents of the then new LSD subculture. The rumor is believed to have originated from the psychiatrists who introduced LSD into our society. The Lewis Carroll rumors claimed that Carroll used drugs when he wrote his stories, suggesting that a drug, not Carroll's fertile imagination was responsible for these creative literary works. These rumors have been a huge marketing success for the business of psychiatry, serving to instill the common belief that drugs are a useful remedy to an otherwise unimaginative lifestyle. However, the rumors are not based on facts. There is no evidence linking "Lewis Carroll" (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) with mind-altering drug use. Also, studies have proven conclusively that drugs not only fail to enhance personal creativity, repeated use considerably suppresses (harms) an individual's power of creative imagination." So.. there you have it.. the answer. Deal with it.

I love how everybody commenting on this thinks they actually know who Lewis Carroll is. You don't know for fact whether he was into drugs or not. Maybe he was a genius; a professor at a very prestigious school even. Get off your high horse and get down to business. I'd like to see someone go to his grave and ask him a few questions. Hell, Carroll could have been depicting himself in the character of the Caterpillar.

I think the movie is pure creativity and imagination, surely due to drugs. Drugs open a 'gateway' to other universes: which would be represented as Alice falling down, entering Wonderland. Obviously Disney has to cover things up because society is afraid of what kids may interpret the movie, but mainly scared of the truth. Like other comments have stated the most genius of people have some way been influenced by drugs. Do you think Einstein woke up one day thinking he wanted to solve equations for the rest of his life? Listen America, get off your lazy arses and take the movie, book and life for what it is: an amazing movie that has you arguing whether or not this man did drugs. And as far as the naked Alice, Disney has a tendency to throw in a couple of hidden secrets, but doesn't everything else? Its Disney, a man who has made billions by making people stand in lines for two hours. Besides Disney has more hidden secrets than you know. Simply for humor. Take it for what it is!

It is entirely possible to be creative without using drugs. I myself am extremely creative and have graduated for video game design in college--leading both graphic teams and story writing teams for various projects in my life and developing many games and websites, photos, and modeling in the meantime. I'm not gonna lie--I'm pretty crazy in general, and maybe my brain chemistry is naturally on drugs. I'm pretty certain I even have a little autism. But!! It's possible. ;) it just may be hard; I've suffered a lot of OCD and various issues in my life, so again, my brain chemistry may already be altered

Please understand this logic. People were stupid to the facts and the results of drugs from the time we discovered them even to when Albert Einstein was here. Many of our great thinkers, inventors, and writers used drugs, even if we have no proof. I can probably can be trusted to say, they used it at least once even if it was for just a medical problem. We all have, exceptions of those whom never been exposed to them through doctors or drug dealers. Example: Einstein was discovered to use LSD and other drugs after dying. Just because he was smart did not exclude him from using drugs. Get a grip on reality. Drugs have been around for a long, long, long time. It has been just understanding these drugs that we have found out recently the true effects of them. Please do not be ignorant to the facts. Just because there is no proof does not exclude them. Documentation of even that era, was a little vague. We still have not mastered a way to do such things to the people of today. Anyone can use drugs and never have those experiences documented. It happens everyday around us. It is just more prevalent nowadays that we can see the effects because we have the knowledge.

Please do some research on the era. It explains how people lived and is the best answer to understand them. It is called anthropology and sociology. I dislike that so many people are closed minded to the facts. There is no proof of either way. He may or may not of used drugs. There is no evidence to support the accusation that he did or did not use drugs writing this book. Let us focus on the facts that it was a creative book that even captures the imagination of even us adults. Which I feel was a great idea of his to include us in the mystery of the book. Not many authors have that skill to have such a wide variety of readers. Which is the point of many authors is to sell their ideas to as many people as they can to make money. That is usually the main goal of most writers to use their ideas as a profit. I mean this literally, all writers profit from their works. Whether it is to profit with dignity or money. There is some sort of profit. Which I guess is more than just money for Carroll, but to win a young girl's affection. That's it. Get over the drug issue, please?

Please do some research on the era. It explains how people lived and is the best answer to understand them. It is called ANTHROPOLOGY and SOCIOLOGY. I dislike that so many people are closed minded to the facts. There is no proof of either way. He may or may not of used drugs. There is no evidence to support the accusation that he did or did not use drugs writing this book. Let us focus on the facts that it was a creative book that even captures the imagination of even us adults.

Actually to all of you debating whether it's about drugs or if he was on drugs. There are actually debates on whether he really wrote the stories. There are rumors that one of the queens a LONG time before them wrote them. I can't remember which one it is >__< But apparently one of the old queens who had a ton of psychological and mental problems and she apparently used a lot of drugs because if you look at the original books and things there are TWO different hand-writings, one rumored to be hers and the other rumored to be Lewis'. Just as we also have debates about that he told the stories first to a girl named Alice and her two/three(?) sisters. It IS about drugs, we don't know if Lewis WAS on drugs. BASICALLY we're never gonna ACTUALLY freaking know! Want to know why? o__O BECAUSE he's dead! They're dead! And you can't know ABSOLUTELY unless you get it from the horse's mouth. So unless we find his diary EXPLAINING everything about it and if he wrote it or not and if he did drugs or not, we're NOT going to know. So GUYS, be quiet. o__O And yes the caterpillar was smoking something because HELLO you don't just breath out magical colored air for no freaking reason so he had to have SOMETHING in the hookah, be it drugs or something else >_> Stop DEBATING about the original story, we're talking about a egg about a naked Alice in the DISNEY version movie.

Everyone keeps saying LSD wasn't around till the 40's and that is true and all, but LSD wasn't the first hallucinogin discovered. You all are forgetting that mushrooms have been around close to 9000 years LSD and mushrooms have very similar if not the same hallucinations. They both give the user an escape from reality so the LSD story behind it may very well be true except in my opinion it would be about mushrooms since LSD " wasn't around".

I was unable to find the egg. In response to all this drug use discussion, I've heard from reliable sources (namely San Francisco's Contemporary Jewish Museum, I believe) that Dodgson/Carroll suffered from Todd's syndrome, also called Alice in Wonderland syndrome, which in addition to alleged drug use, could have contributed to the tale.